Episode 12

King of Birds, World Leader Pretend, Swan Swan H

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October 9th, 2025

2 hrs 14 mins 11 secs

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About this Episode

Our guest for this episoder is Julie Campbell, a songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, and music producer based in Manchester, England who records under the name of LoneLady. A sense of place is all over this episode, whether it's the folksy southern gothic of Georgia, the working class city of Manchester, or the confines of your own head. Psychogeography is one the defining themes of LoneLady's work, particularly on her 2015 album "Hinterland." Julie brings the Document-era "King of Birds" to chat about, and we dig into its relationship to the creative process. Will wages war on himself with "World Leader Pretend," and Chris takes us back to the Civil War with "Swan Swan H," which really sounds like it could been written in 1860, but is, in fact modern. What noisy cats are we. Literally. (Chris would like to apologize for the intrusion of his cat multiple times on this episode).

Links:
REM - King of Birds
REM - King of Birds (Tourfilm)
REM - World Leader Pretend
REM - World Leader Pretent (Tourfilm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NSJbEeNSe0&list=RD_NSJbEeNSe0&start_radio=1
REM - Swan Swan H (Athens, GA: Inside Out)_
LoneLady: Groove It Out
LoneLady: Hinterland

Our theme music is composed by Jared Duran
Our podcast was named by Will Hodge
Artwork by Chris Ayers
Athens train trestle photo by Joab Jackson